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he's got to face joe biden next week. with all of the things that the new minted mitt romney said last night, joe biden who is a very feisty debater brings to ryan. doesn't ryan have a problem in the debate next week agreeing with some of the things that the new mitt romney came with last night? >> well, you know, we all yearn for good presidentivice preside debate, but the truth is they really don't matter if the quaylquayle-benson didn' matter, this won won't. >> we don't know if they don't matter. >> sarah palin, people watched it the way you watch a nascar race with a fascination that there may be an accident or a wreck. but with the debate coming up, there is this tension on the ticket, republican ticket, between paul ryan who campaigns and gave the speech remember at the convention, there was archly ideological about creating a new world that the president has described at darwinian and pessimistic and dark. and he gives joe biden a lot of lines of attack on the ryan budget, the medicare plan and all those things. t
he's got to face joe biden next week. with all of the things that the new minted mitt romney said last night, joe biden who is a very feisty debater brings to ryan. doesn't ryan have a problem in the debate next week agreeing with some of the things that the new mitt romney came with last night? >> well, you know, we all yearn for good presidentivice preside debate, but the truth is they really don't matter if the quaylquayle-benson didn' matter, this won won't. >> we don't know if...
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biden. it's good to have you here. jared, i start with you. as we look at these numbers, is this a true game changer for the president? >> it certainly helps. i mean, this month's decline in the unemployment rate that you have been talking about from 8.1% down to 7.8%, that's the good kind of decline in unemployment because it came from a lot more people getting jobs. if you recall back last month, i was sitting in this chair telling you that the decline in unemployment from 8.3% to 8.1% was illusory. it tells you, as i said, more people came into the job market and got jobs. but it also tells you that the monthly surveys are volatile. however, i think there's other evidence in this report, perhaps we can get into it, that shows some momentum moving in the right direction. the pace of employment growth appears to be accelerating in the payroll survey as well. >> ron, i want to ask you about jack welch's tweet about the books basically being cooked. you know, he's a ge pioneer. we know him we
biden. it's good to have you here. jared, i start with you. as we look at these numbers, is this a true game changer for the president? >> it certainly helps. i mean, this month's decline in the unemployment rate that you have been talking about from 8.1% down to 7.8%, that's the good kind of decline in unemployment because it came from a lot more people getting jobs. if you recall back last month, i was sitting in this chair telling you that the decline in unemployment from 8.3% to 8.1%...
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where were you when you heard joe biden yesterday? >> i don't remember. because we don't see this as a tremendous deal. the romney campaign is good at jumping on whatever out of context comment of the day is, what they're not good at is understanding the challenges that middle class face. the fact that they don't believe the middle class bore the biggest brunt of the economic crisis is born out in your poll today. and a number of other polls that mitt romney doesn't understand the challenges that the middle class faces. what joe biden was saying, at which he often says on the campaign trail, is that because of the policies of the last administration and some of the same policies that mitt romney and paul ryan want to go back to, the middle class was severely punished and has take an while to bounce back. but the president has put the middle class at the center of everything that he has done over the past four years and he'll talk about that tonight. >> now, one of the things that the republicans are sure to talk about tonight is debt. trillions of dollars
where were you when you heard joe biden yesterday? >> i don't remember. because we don't see this as a tremendous deal. the romney campaign is good at jumping on whatever out of context comment of the day is, what they're not good at is understanding the challenges that middle class face. the fact that they don't believe the middle class bore the biggest brunt of the economic crisis is born out in your poll today. and a number of other polls that mitt romney doesn't understand the...
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you know, it's something that they've been watching with joe biden for years, but joe biden has been preparing for an entire week. by thursday when the debate happens, he will have spent almost a week at his home in wilmington preparing. and when he is prepared, he is much better in that he doesn't make those same gaffes. when he nose what it is that he needs to say and he's not going off the cuff in this style, he does better. >> on thursday, joe biden went aggressively after governor romney on taxes. let's take a look at that. >> you just never know what game or what position governor romney's going to come with. you know, the centerpiece of their economic policy, so far, has been their tax cut. and last night, we found out he doesn't have a $5 trillion tax cut, and i guess he outsourced that to china or something. >> you know, the vice presidential candidate traditionally plays the role of the attack dog. do you think that's what joe biden was doing right there? >> yeah. and joe biden sort of louse an entree into the obama campaign into a group they're most concerned about, which
you know, it's something that they've been watching with joe biden for years, but joe biden has been preparing for an entire week. by thursday when the debate happens, he will have spent almost a week at his home in wilmington preparing. and when he is prepared, he is much better in that he doesn't make those same gaffes. when he nose what it is that he needs to say and he's not going off the cuff in this style, he does better. >> on thursday, joe biden went aggressively after governor...
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that's why conservatives are eager to find something to be critical of joe biden about, of president obama about, they are hunting for secret videotapes or even not so secret videotapes and that is -- that's -- you know, firing up the base at this point is also the goal for them. what republicans have the democrats don't have as we see in the new nbc poll, is that they really are more enthusiastic. romney needs to keep them enthusiase -- enthusiastic. >> bob woodward was on with morning joe. an interesting moment, eugene. referring to a conversation we had senator john mccain about what you need to present to people during debate. we know yesterday you talked about this, which mitt romney will show up tonight? ab is talking about keeping the conservative base fired up or perhaps trying to go after the other people he would need to win here. let me play what bob said on "morning joe." >> i remember in the 1990s once asking john mccain is it possible and he asked -- actually asked the question is it possible to run for president and be true to yourself? he ran for president. a lot of p
that's why conservatives are eager to find something to be critical of joe biden about, of president obama about, they are hunting for secret videotapes or even not so secret videotapes and that is -- that's -- you know, firing up the base at this point is also the goal for them. what republicans have the democrats don't have as we see in the new nbc poll, is that they really are more enthusiastic. romney needs to keep them enthusiase -- enthusiastic. >> bob woodward was on with morning...
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joe biden has a good sense of humor. you are not going to see him and barack obama in the debate. >> i hope it is an existing debate. there were 50 million people watching the first debate. the question i have is, for how long? i was sitting there thinking, ok, obama did not show up to play. this is unbelievably boring. if i did not have to do this for a living, i would watch a show that i wanted to. >> it depends on your perspective. i found it fascinating. i was seized. my attention did not lapse for an hour-and-a-half. i think he might be slightly skewed. if you saw the joe biden clip, how does a man of uncertain age maintain such a high level of indignation, continuously, without getting a heart attack? can you believe he is doing all this stuff? i think he needs to go easy. i say that as a medical opinion, not a political opinion. laying in the weeds he said that we will raise your taxes. i am sure that obama love to hear that. >> did we underestimate mitt romney? it has even this could all along? >> he can be good
joe biden has a good sense of humor. you are not going to see him and barack obama in the debate. >> i hope it is an existing debate. there were 50 million people watching the first debate. the question i have is, for how long? i was sitting there thinking, ok, obama did not show up to play. this is unbelievably boring. if i did not have to do this for a living, i would watch a show that i wanted to. >> it depends on your perspective. i found it fascinating. i was seized. my...
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expect the vice president to show up ready to talk about paul ryan's policies but also barack obama and joe biden's policies over the last four years and where together they want to take this country. now, in terms of paul ryan, you know, he's tried to soften some of his positions and certainly mitt romney's been back and forth about whether or not he supports the ryan budget. >> sure. >> he wrapped his arms around it in the primaries when he was appealing to the base, his republican base. then when he picked paul ryan after calling him the intellectual leader of the republican party, tried to move away from some of those ideas. we know mitt romney campaigned on paul ryan's budget. >> yes, he did. >> paul ryan is paul ryan because of that budget. and, you know, i don't think that there's any chance that's not going to be part of the conversation next week. >> stephanie cutter, thank you for your time tonight on "the ed show." appreciate it. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter and @edshow and on facebook. we want to know what you
expect the vice president to show up ready to talk about paul ryan's policies but also barack obama and joe biden's policies over the last four years and where together they want to take this country. now, in terms of paul ryan, you know, he's tried to soften some of his positions and certainly mitt romney's been back and forth about whether or not he supports the ryan budget. >> sure. >> he wrapped his arms around it in the primaries when he was appealing to the base, his...
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>> you may have overlooked the fact that for the last few weeks i've been joe biden. so -- >> mr. olson has been playing the part of joe biden in paul ryan's debate prep, which will help paul ryan get better at debating which will help him become vice president which would be bad for gay rights. right? >> or in my attempt to persuade ryan on this issue. don't understate the possibility that dialogue and talking about these issues makes a difference. not just independents and not just democrats but republicans, too. the tides are changing. attitudes are changing. and the way to change those attitudes is dialogue. and the way to change those attitudes is to talk to people about the fundamental right and the way to deal with republicans in my opinion is to say we are the party of abraham lincoln. let's not forget that. what are these -- we say that. let's live up to that. let's think about our principles here. what is decency and privacy and respect? can't talk about what happens in debate preparation but when those issues, if they're issues, they come up in the preparation because t
>> you may have overlooked the fact that for the last few weeks i've been joe biden. so -- >> mr. olson has been playing the part of joe biden in paul ryan's debate prep, which will help paul ryan get better at debating which will help him become vice president which would be bad for gay rights. right? >> or in my attempt to persuade ryan on this issue. don't understate the possibility that dialogue and talking about these issues makes a difference. not just independents and...
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ryan fired back at a rally in ohio, accusing biden trying to scare people for political gain. >> joe biden himself voted to raise taxes on social security benefits and as a senator, president obama voted to keep those tax increases in place three times. i want to be very clear about this. mitt romney and i will never waiver in our commitment to our seniors. our plans actually saved these programs. >> biden and ryan's one and only debate is next thursday in kentucky. >>> and former republican presidential candidate rick santorum says mitt romney and republicans should support todd akin. he says an akin win is essential for the republican party to win control of the senate. akin is challenging claire mccaskill. he has been criticized after using the term "legitimate rape." our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting
ryan fired back at a rally in ohio, accusing biden trying to scare people for political gain. >> joe biden himself voted to raise taxes on social security benefits and as a senator, president obama voted to keep those tax increases in place three times. i want to be very clear about this. mitt romney and i will never waiver in our commitment to our seniors. our plans actually saved these programs. >> biden and ryan's one and only debate is next thursday in kentucky. >>> and...
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what are the similarities between ted olson and joe biden? >> they are are about the same age and ted olson is one really good debater. i hope joe biden shows more than ted olson because he is one of the best litigators in america. he has studied joe biden's tapes and records and style and ted as you know is one of the best litigators in america and pretty good at adapting to that. >> chris: have you got lines already prepared? attack lines? >> i'm not the a line guy. you know me well. i don't try to be anybody other than who i am. i believe in what i believe and i do what i do and i really believe in the policies we are providing that we are pursuing. and at the end of the day i'm just going to go in there and be me. >> chris: i know you were hoping that joe biden makes one of his occasional gaffes. >> he doesn't do that in debaits. the gaffes he is kind of ledgentary for this. that is not in these situations. he is a disciplined person when speaks in these kind of situations and doesn't produce gaffes in these moments. those are when is off
what are the similarities between ted olson and joe biden? >> they are are about the same age and ted olson is one really good debater. i hope joe biden shows more than ted olson because he is one of the best litigators in america. he has studied joe biden's tapes and records and style and ted as you know is one of the best litigators in america and pretty good at adapting to that. >> chris: have you got lines already prepared? attack lines? >> i'm not the a line guy. you know...
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is studied joe biden's tapes and record and joe biden's, john style and said, as you know, one of the best litigators in america and is good at adapting to that. chris: have you got lines already prepared, attack lines. >> i'm not a "line" guy, i'm more of a gut guy. i'm more of a -- you know me well, i don't try to be anybody other than who i am. i believe in what i believe. i do what i do, and i really believe in the policies we're providing, we are pursuing. and, at the end of the day, i am just going to go in there and be me. >> chris: are you hoping joe biden makes one of his -- >> i don't think he will. he doesn't do that in debates, the gaffes, he's legendary for this, that is not in these kinds of situations, he's a very disciplined person when he speaks in these kind of situations and doesn't produce gaffes in these moments, those are when he's off the cuff, on the stump, out giving speeches. >> chris: you are not counting on one. >> no. >> chris: thank you so much for talking with us. >> thanks, chris, appreciate it. >> chris: with that interview we have now talked with both
is studied joe biden's tapes and record and joe biden's, john style and said, as you know, one of the best litigators in america and is good at adapting to that. chris: have you got lines already prepared, attack lines. >> i'm not a "line" guy, i'm more of a gut guy. i'm more of a -- you know me well, i don't try to be anybody other than who i am. i believe in what i believe. i do what i do, and i really believe in the policies we're providing, we are pursuing. and, at the end...
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think it's a real whenever t romney campaign ies play on the same field the president and joe biden. nobodys a better surrogate, spe working and middle class than joe biden.ryan. that straighto camera sh, you saw th campaigns come out with ads. president obama isuch tt spker. he's more dict and communicates warh and honesty. from mitt romney it seems hollow. if i were e romney campaign, i woulstay with e fix it thing. everying ort ofoming out with mops and brooms and talkbout the ecomy. whever thetrine americttack, it never works for them. they fall flat and ialwa rings hollow. >> alex, richard, great to have th uyou wion "the ed show." >>> coming u the obama campaign reld a new ad hammering mitt romney for outsourcing jo to a chinese any nditions durg his time at sherrod n will be joining me on that d other issues. >>> and billioires are getting antsy about the possibility of president obama's reelecon. and th a starting to whine big time.you're watching "thed " >>> welcome back t"t ed show." anks for watchin they had invested in global tech. it's a chinese-based company less than
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. >> and this is the joe biden approach on behalf of obama when they have actually worked out some deals with congress, biden goes to the republicans and says, "okay, let's do it the old way. one for you, one for me; not just drawing the line, saying you've got to do it my way. >> i think you get koms promise because both sides have leverage. tax rates are going up on everyone by law. that's going to happen. so that gives leverage to the democrats. yet sequestration, what you mentioned bob, the automatic cuts, republicans hate the defense cutses. democrats hate the nondefense cuts. and then you have the treasury debt seale chicago gives leverage to whatever party doesn't win the presidential election. i think odds are pretty high we'll get an agreement. >> i think the best place for both sides to start is in education because i sit in a lot of conversations with republicans. i spend a lot of conversations with democrats, and they agree on a whole lot more than they disagree on. so it seems to me that both parties could come together and say okay we're going to put the partisan politics a
. >> and this is the joe biden approach on behalf of obama when they have actually worked out some deals with congress, biden goes to the republicans and says, "okay, let's do it the old way. one for you, one for me; not just drawing the line, saying you've got to do it my way. >> i think you get koms promise because both sides have leverage. tax rates are going up on everyone by law. that's going to happen. so that gives leverage to the democrats. yet sequestration, what you...
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joe biden in north carolina and paul ryan on a bus tour in iowa. last night he was in dubuque. the first time at a public campaign event he delivered this line. >> the choice is clear, and here is what we are doing. we are entering the debate phase, the choice phase of this campaign. this choice is ever so clear. >> speaking of choice, has mitt romney's choice of paul ryan paid off? let's ask republican strategist and former gingrich campaign senior advisor david winston and nbc latino contributor, a senior fellow at the university of texas. good morning to both of you. will mitt romney have to and be able to defend paul ryan's budget plan at the debate tomorrow? >> clearly, the selection of paul ryan was an intent to give, sort of fill out this alternative. how was mitt romney going to be an alternative to whatever president obama's policies were. that was a strategic shift from it being just simply a referendum on the president. it's not, it wasn't so much does he have to defend everything paul ryan did? it's how does paul ryan supplement what mitt romney is going to say in t
joe biden in north carolina and paul ryan on a bus tour in iowa. last night he was in dubuque. the first time at a public campaign event he delivered this line. >> the choice is clear, and here is what we are doing. we are entering the debate phase, the choice phase of this campaign. this choice is ever so clear. >> speaking of choice, has mitt romney's choice of paul ryan paid off? let's ask republican strategist and former gingrich campaign senior advisor david winston and nbc...
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if you go way back in history for joe biden that campaign ended. but in the early going in the spring and summer that year, he had a reputation for being a powerful performer for performing well that summer. but you know take that away. there was a lot of unfairness. he was a strong communicator and strong debater. >> look, folks, i know we all don't have access to governor romney's accountant. i thought last night when he said i would like to introduce my accountant to that. i would love to have his accountant. but look, we understand, someone ends up paying for all of this. >> crystal, joe biden has the touch with that sort of thing. he does and that is funny. and that helps. that is always helpful and the other thing that i would note from this performance in 2008 and also from this speech is how loyal he is. nothing is about him. it is about the president and the president's plans and an attack on governor romney. and at that time in 2008. i noticed that palin focused on her record and her family. it was me centered and i can see paul ryan walk
if you go way back in history for joe biden that campaign ended. but in the early going in the spring and summer that year, he had a reputation for being a powerful performer for performing well that summer. but you know take that away. there was a lot of unfairness. he was a strong communicator and strong debater. >> look, folks, i know we all don't have access to governor romney's accountant. i thought last night when he said i would like to introduce my accountant to that. i would love...
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how does it contrast with joe biden's? >> he's a straight shooter so i think we want to stay opinion himself. not try to project an aura that really isn't him. >> comparity joe biden has been on that debate stage a time or two, he really understands and how to perform under that pressure. this is all paul ryan's and he wants to let people know who he is and the things he believes in. he's a very staunch conservative and holds very close views that he's proud of and he wants to be able to explain to people why he believe what is he believes and why he thinks a romney ryan administration ould -- >> i think he's the guy who wants to keep everything on the economy. everybody will agree that he has studied it inside out. he knows what he thinks based on preparation and study. >> this is a 90-minute debate so obviously we're going to talk a lot about the economy. so the campaign officials working with paul rye yachb have been bringing him up to speed. the believing books. >> >> he ethey want to get -- >> something that we have h
how does it contrast with joe biden's? >> he's a straight shooter so i think we want to stay opinion himself. not try to project an aura that really isn't him. >> comparity joe biden has been on that debate stage a time or two, he really understands and how to perform under that pressure. this is all paul ryan's and he wants to let people know who he is and the things he believes in. he's a very staunch conservative and holds very close views that he's proud of and he wants to be...
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videos of joe biden v. paul ryan. the battle royal still to come. spoofs are a fun way the digital age has changed the campaigns and also a serious impact. think about it. twitter was still relatively fledgling four years ago. tonight for the first time, instant reaction from the crowd could shape the national post-debate conversation. just as much as the opinions of journalists and pundits do. so, let's do what journalists and pundits do and talk about it. i think, you know, twitter and -- and i mentioned this yesterday in "the rant," i mean, twitter is a really fun way to watch a debate. live tweeting through it, see what other people have to say. but it's also really changed the sperngs. you know, as we tease there, you get instant reaction to real-time events. it's completely democraticized the experience of getting news and watching politics because everyone can be a pundit and a news producer by retweeting what other people are saying. and it develops these real-time twitter means we've seen throughout the year, which i think have been really
videos of joe biden v. paul ryan. the battle royal still to come. spoofs are a fun way the digital age has changed the campaigns and also a serious impact. think about it. twitter was still relatively fledgling four years ago. tonight for the first time, instant reaction from the crowd could shape the national post-debate conversation. just as much as the opinions of journalists and pundits do. so, let's do what journalists and pundits do and talk about it. i think, you know, twitter and -- and...
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joe biden made remarks ab the middle class being buried. here it is. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. of course, the middle class has been buried. they are being buried by regulations, by taxes, by borrowing, they are being buried by the obama administration's economic failures. >> the romney campaign is taking remarks out of context. alex, will it work or is it just desperation? >> i think it's a real mistake whenever the romney campaign tries to play on the same field as the president and joe biden. nobody is a better surrogate, speaks more to the pain of the working and middle class than joe biden. don't even go there, paul ryan. that straight to camera shot, you saw both campaigns come out with ads. president obama is a much better speaker. he's more direct and communicates warmth and honesty. from mitt romney it seems hollow. if i were the romney campaign, i would stay with the fix it thing. do everything short of coming out with mops and brooms an
joe biden made remarks ab the middle class being buried. here it is. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. of course, the middle class has been buried. they are being buried by regulations, by taxes, by borrowing, they are being buried by the obama administration's economic failures. >> the romney campaign is taking remarks out of context. alex, will it work or is it just desperation? >> i...
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heard joe biden i'm heard at the top. he is hitting home the medicare mess naj florida. is that a winning strategy? >> you know, it's worked in the past in election cycles we saw it pretty effective in 2010 when republicans used it against democrats. this cycle democrats especially in the house are trying to use it against republicans. i think it's effective with certain segments of the population. you mention the joe biden is in florida. that is exactly one of those populations you're talking about. groups and electorates and voting blocks that are 60 or 55 plus. that's where it's really going to resonate. >> david, can the romney camp send in a paul ryan the way obama sends in his vice-president? can he be that effective in the state of florida? >> he's already done that, alex. i wouldn't be surprised to see him again. paul ryan has brought his own mother with him on some of these speaking engagements in florida and elsewhere. they still will. they have an argument of their own that obama took money out of medicare to p
heard joe biden i'm heard at the top. he is hitting home the medicare mess naj florida. is that a winning strategy? >> you know, it's worked in the past in election cycles we saw it pretty effective in 2010 when republicans used it against democrats. this cycle democrats especially in the house are trying to use it against republicans. i think it's effective with certain segments of the population. you mention the joe biden is in florida. that is exactly one of those populations you're...